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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 02:50 am |
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I found this article on nonhuman primates and music. I thought it was interesting and maybe some of you will find it interesting also. The researchers noted in other writings that the results may be different with primates that are closer to humans. I think they just didn't play the right types of music.
http://scienceblogs.com/mixingmemory/2006/09/this_just_in_nonhuman_primates_1.php
I hope this works. I've never posted a web address here before.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 03:24 am |
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Really interesting article Gena - thanks for posting it. I wonder if BF would like Seger????
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 02:17 pm |
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They seem to like Native American music or at least the ones down here do !
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 02:30 pm |
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Ok Shasta, we're waiting.......
Shasta has been involved in a LOT of research using music (primarily Native American types) to see how it affects BF. But I'm gonna shut my mouth and let her 'splain it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 03:21 pm |
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NA music.....makes sense Carolann.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 04:55 pm |
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I have always believed that Native American flute music would be interesting to play while out in the deep woods.
Checkout the whistling recorded out there at night.
http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/sounds/APR162005WHISTLES.mp3
I have a plastic flute that I plan to use some night just to see what happens. It would be interesting to see if I could get them whistling back a tune at me..LOL
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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It can be amazing , the kind of activity you can get from playing NA flute and round circle .
Cant wait to hear of your findings Mike ............
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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We live as some of you know in what is known as the Indian Terroritory.....Oklahoma. In our immediate area there are the Kiowa, Cheyenne, Arapaho, Commanche, Delaware, Witchita's and Caddo tribes among some others I am sure I am forgetting. They have lots of Pow Wow's which I enjoy going to. The sounds of the drumming floating on the wind is a wonderful sound to hear out here....its a sound that somehow just belongs and especially when its heard at night.
We have heard several stories from some of our NA friends of these creatures showing up at Pow Wow's. I remember one where the folks there observed them watching the event from the woodsline. Another story of where they actually showed up which made some of the people scatter lol There are other accounts of NA practicing their drumming and would have their windows up and here they would come. There is something about NA drumming that appeals to these creatures. I do remember this happening to me and Dan. We had been to Red Earth up at OKC. Its a big NA gathering where they dress in full regalia and there are several tribes there that do the drumming because they are in competition and they dance their traditional dances and so forth. Anyway, I video taped while I was there. We came home and hooked up a little monitor in our bedroom and was sittin on the side of the bed watching the video. We had the sound turned up very loud and was throughly enjoying the sound of all those drums. All of a sudden from over the top of our bed came this loud grump or grrrrrrrrrrhhhhh. I looked at him and he looked at me and I said....WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT??????? He smiled and said I think you know what that was lol I said.......GET UP AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOW!!! he said............I ain't looking out the window.....you go look lol Now folks...........our bedroom room is about 8 foot from the ground and this sound came from OVER our bed...........you figure it out lol It couldn't have been our german shephard.........he isn't 9 foot tall and this growl was very easily heard over the blarring sound of the drumming we was listening to lol Can I say for definite sure it was an RFP........no but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck............its probably a duck lol
The same can be said for the flute also. There is no set song you play with your flute, you make your own which is what I love about it....anybody can play one. I prefer the 5 hole one. The NA used his surroundings to help make his song.....the rise of the hills and the lows of the valleys the flow of the streams etc. For those of you that play or listen to NA flute music you know its beautiful, haunting melody and when its played in the woods it also just seems to fit. I actually prefer it there. If I had to make a call though I would say that the drumming would probably be more effective in regards to RFP's. There is something primal about it. That beat just touches things inside. Anyone that hears the drums of a Pow Wow or just someone practicing has to stop and listen.....you want to hear more for whatever reason. The RFP's are no different and this being Indian Terroritory and them and the NA having been here for generations this music is no stranger to them........I guess you could say it is a part of their world here. So that is why I like to experiment with it.
Our friend Kurt (kurdokis) on here was here for a visit and he was going to go out with our friend Randy and I told him to take my drum. I hadn't used it yet out in the field and I wanted to see if anything would happen. I had a feeling it would generate some interest but it isn't a small little drum and we had just never took it because of that. Dan had made it a few years back and some of our NA friends had gave us two drumming sticks. Well, Kurt called me from the field and said....MAN!!!! this works!!! I will pm and tell him to tell what happened with it. It was a an interesting night lol
I don't know if NA music will work in other areas like it does here but I would think they would be curious about it if this music is something they have not heard. They are very curious creatures and I would think they would have to come and see what is making this wonderful sound. NA music is music of the woods, it fits, it belongs.....its natural......and the RFP's want to come and listen to it. If room permits I would like to bring my drum in Dec....it is a wonderful instrument to play and to listen to in my opinion lol I am sure the drum hasn't been heard in the Mississippi woods in a very long time......it would be so kool to let its wonderful melody echo there once again while sitting around the campfire.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 08:00 pm |
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Well since Shasta said it I guess I will say it .
One of my sites is located behind a state park and thru out the year they hold powwows there . I attend the local powwows down here due to my being 50% Cherokee and it revives me .
I would go to the powwow and then after I would head into my site , it was during these times that I noticed the activity level was amazing . Several years ago I started playing NA music at times in my sites and I can tell you it is a great thing to try .
I am now in the process of doing NA ceremonies at that site I talked about above .
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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Shasta, thanks for posting about this. Great post by the way also. Yall were playing native american flute music at Broken Bow when we were all drawn out of our tents with a loud burst of vocals. Once while investigating a place down in south Texas, we heard the sounds of pow wow, drums and chanting, coming from the woods but there was no record of any pow wows. It was interesting. To believe the notion that there is no Native American influence with our large hairy cousins would be like saying they were conceived within this century. Native American influence is probably as much a part of their culture today as it was in their past generations.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 12:05 am |
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Thanks for the great posts everyone. One of the things I've always found interesting is how music influences the mood of people. I was curious if this would be the same case with nonhuman primates. That's how I came across the article.
I think it is an interesting question that was brought up: Would NA music effect BF in areas were there is little to no NA activity? After all, NA culture is not as wide spread as it once was across our land. And I know Donna was joking, but what if BF likes "Ol' Time Rock N Roll",...or Enya...or Hank? Would they have individual tastes in music like humans or would there be a collective group norm on what is liked and what is disliked? Would the alpha male decide what the group should be afraid of or what is a reassuring sound? I guess most of these are questions that can not be answered but only hypothesized.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 02:00 am |
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Thanks Shasta for the posting. It was wonderful. I too think that NA music can have an influence on our forest freinds. I agree with you that the drumming may have more impact on BF activity though. I understand what you said about there being something primal about it...that the beat just touches something inside. I feel it listening to music myself.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 03:47 am |
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Its me Shasta....my laptop has taken a dirt nap for the moment so I am using Dans......got him tied in the corner hehehe No really, he is a total gentleman and is letting me borrow his for a few. Anyway, Fireflies I had forgot about that at Broken Bow......it sure did bring everybody out of their tents in a hurry lol
As for the music, we have been told by some that they don't like Jimmy Hendrixs lol My opinion would be that easy listening would probably always be good but anything that sounds like a broke guitar might tend to tic them off just like it does me lol Something that has nice flow and a natural sound but thats just an opinion. I really don't think they would appreciate heavy metal or loud screaming type of music but who knows lol
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 04:54 am |
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Down here in Texas, they blast heavy metal and hard rock at rodeos to further inflame the animals. I always thought it was surreal to watch everyone running around in western attire and head music playing,lol.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 05:31 am |
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Thanks for mentioning the drum Shasta. It sure worked this particular night. When I go home to visit my folks I drive right by Shastas house. I always stop by to visit. I catch up on the latest info and I consider she and Dan my mentors on bigfoot research. We were talking about the drum and suggested I take it and use it to see what happens. They gave me suggestions on how to use it and off I went. This particular place Randy, our Native American friend, and I went to has had reports of sightings. The landowner will not go to the backside of his property because the little ones ( juvenile bigfoot ) run him off. Two women saw 4 in the field on all 4's moving in a straight line and thought they were cattle until the one behind stood up and looked at them. and in the same area a person driving down the road saw what looked to him like a huge football player crossing the road in front of him. The shoulders were so wide like a player with shoulder pads on and grayish in color. The land was woody, with a field between the road and the woods. the road is very sandy, washes out easily during heavy rains, and the trees nearly cover the road on both sides. It's spooky enough in daytime and gets real spooky after dark.( About a year ago, Randy and I saw small footprints on this road.)We parked next to the field about 25 yards from where the woods start next to the road. We take a good look around and park my truck to where we can make a quick exit if needed. I beat the drum in a rhythm that Dan suggested. After about 3 sets of beats the countryside came to life. You name it, it responded. Coyotes, birds, owls, ect. Movement from the trees headed our way. After about 30 minutes, I heard what I call an "excited monkey" from behind us. I only heard it once. But kept hearing movement behind us. I called Shasta and told her the drum worked and was very pleased with the responses I got from using it. We got the feeling it was time to leave and since Randy has a pacemaker, I sure didn't want him to have a heart attack. We went to his sisters place. She plays the flute music from her back porch and she claims to get all kinds of acitvity. I will tell their stories over a campfire some day. One night, she talked for 4 straight hours of activity they have there. Anyway, I played the drum there while a thunderstorm approached from the south. We heard some babbling and just thought it was people at first. I kept beating the drum in rhythm and kept getting the babbling just minutes after beating it. I stopped as the storm got closer because of the thunder and lighting. But as the storm got closer, we heard screams and babbling as if the creatures were calling the clan together to go to the creek and get out of the storm. Does the drum work? Yes it did this night. I want to use it again and I think it should be standard issue as far as equipment is concerned. Kurdokis
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 01:20 pm |
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I guess I should have said drumming instead of round circle .
The elders say that the drum represents the heart and the soul !!!!
If your gonna play drumming , I would burn some sage , cedar , juniper or sweetgrass just to get rid of any negative energy that might be around or that might come around .
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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| very good thread i always thought drums were the way to go the tones carry a long distance.Lived 2miles from a large high school once and when the band practiced i could hear the drums very well but not the horns was kind of nice working in the yard listening to the drums.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 03:19 pm |
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| Great thread, Gena ! I know that calm, flowing, melodic sounds have a soothing effect on babies. I used to play lullabies on a cassette deck in a hospital nursery during one of my nursing rotations...put them at rest. I like loud rock n roll at times but when it comes to slumber, I want calm and peaceful tunes.You know the old saying." Music calms the savage beast". Shasta, please bring your drum to Mississippi. I agree that it will be a great opportunity to try an experiment. I know you are a skillful and seasoned car packer and will find room for it. Thanks to all who have added all their experiences. Fantastic exchange of knowledge !---------TnC........
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Posted: Wed Nov 12th, 2008 06:23 pm |
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| This is an interesting thread, I've often wondered how they would respond to music from Wayra, a flute player from South America whose music sounds similar to Native American flute music, it would be interesting to find out if it would work.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 12:43 am |
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I'm glad everyone is enjoying the thread. I would love to see some experimenting with music going on if we have time on an outing. Maybe we could take different groups of folks, with different types of music and send them to different locations. We could see which groups get activity.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 08:26 am |
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I have tried different aboriginal instruments with some success. It is all certainly less offensive than modern recorded music.
The five-hole flute that Shasta mentioned is what the southeastern tribes originally used (and still use.)
And as far as them observing pow wows, well no surprise there. Who wouldn't? You are walking around and come across a pow wow, it is definitely interesting to watch. I tell people who have never been to one, that there is nothing else I can compare it too. Pow wows have their own set of rules and customs.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 05:19 pm |
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| what about a harp (harmonica)?
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Posted: Fri Nov 14th, 2008 06:00 pm |
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| Give it a try and let us know! Last edited on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 06:01 pm by Wayo
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Posted: Fri Nov 21st, 2008 03:36 am |
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I'm interested in the music research as a window on BF society. If different areas require different types of music to get similar types of activity started, then that would make it a possibility that tribes are acting on individual tribal norms. On the other hand, if a similar type of music, played at different locations, got similar BF activity, it would seem that the music is touching on something primal in the tribe (or individual BF).
Now saying that, I'll have to note that I have not had to do statistics since college. We probably have no chance of being very scientific with our research. We may never be able to say anything more than, "In my personal opinion, BF's like (enter type of music), because this music possibly....". I'm ok with that. Every report gives us more information for a better hypothesis. Have fun with it and enjoy your time in the woods!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 21st, 2008 01:11 pm |
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I hope this is what your getting at , if not just overlook it and remember I'm blond lol .
Several years ago I noticed that when NA flute music is played , the activity level is low to medium and the atmosphere seem to be very tranquil .
When round circle ( drumming ) is played the activity level goes up . It tends to rial them up but not in a violent or aggressive way .
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 03:59 am |
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That's some good info. Cryptoseeker. And yes that's sort of what I'm getting at; if we play music we should take note of the types of music we played, the locations were the music was played and the results we got from the different types of music. If you play your music in that location again take note as to if you get the same results or a different response.
A funny note: When I imagined the NA flute music and the activity being tranquil, I could see folks sitting around in a meditation pose and BF's in the woods sitting in the same meditation pose and humming with the music. lol... It gave me a giggle. I'm sure it chills them out like it does us. I believe that it's touching a primitive part of their brains, as it does ours.
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