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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 02:08 am |
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Can any of you dear people enlighten me on what qualities to look for in a researcher ? I thought I knew the person that did my story but I was wrong. This person ran into some of our neighbors that has a "get away' home a few miles down the road from me and they come down quite often to relax and recoup. She sent me an email and told me she ran into the couple at a wedding rehearsal and she felt God had a hand in her doing so, so she felt she just HAD to tell them all about my report and where they could read it on the Alabama Research site. She said she sat in their can for a while and shared with them about me and the BF. They went home and read my report and came to her the next day at the wedding so excited about the report and told her how much they enjoyed reading it.
I have never felt so betrayed, should that not have been left up to me to tell them, if I wanted them to know? I really hate that this happened, I considered her my friend and she has gone out of her way to come miles from her home, to take me to a doctor when I had no one else to drive me. Therefore I feel really bad that I came down so hard on her, but on the other hand, she has given me other reasons not to trust her that I won't mention here.
I battled with myself for days over should I or shouldn't I post this. She worked very hard on my report and did a great job of writing it so thats just one more reason, I feel so bad about all this. I was advised by someone to post this to enlighten others about putting such a delicate matter in someones hands. Do you think im wrong to be so upset at her for this? I have seen some doosies of mud slingings going on between 2 other women that had a similar relationship and the last thing I would ever want to do is to drag this person through the mud,she does have some great qualities about her and I would never reveal her name in this but I don't feel I will ever trust her again. She mentioned in her email that she hoped I wouldn't be upset at her for telling them, so therefore I feel she knew she was out of line .
I am hoping someone can list some of the things to look for in a researcher.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 02:19 am |
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I think one thing very important to consider is what the researcher's track record looks like. Have they been into research long? Have they had problems with other witnesses before? Etc...
If you're looking for a researcher, from what I've read from him here, then Tal Branco would be extremely hard to beat. There are also several other good ones around too I'm sure, but I'm more familiar with Tal's work due to this board.
Affiliation with a certain group isn't always a guanteed sign of a good researcher either. There's good and bad in most organizations I would imagine, although some are more stringent in their membership requirements and therefore tend to weed out the undesireables. The only organization that I belong to is the AIBR, and I honestly don't know of any in that organization that aren't up to the task.
I know I didn't really give a complete answer to your question, but hopefully some of what I posted will be helpful.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 10:57 pm |
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Hmmm thats a very qood question. What to look for in a researcher.
I refrain from commenting on others. I will say this. Your situation is unique and that you and your family can make a lot more head way in the research dept than outsiders. Thats not to say not to meet someone to help verify what you have found. Just be cautiouse when you do. If that is your goal to research and verify.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 09:45 pm |
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Hi oldcrow
That is just what my husband said to me the other night why do wwe need to have someone here and risk the chance going through something worse with the next one but I do see alot of folks on here that I would trust such as Branco and others.
My b,day is in june, and im putting recorders and night vision equipment on my list. I would love to be able to record them and put the sounds online for you guys to hear. I would love to have a pair of the night vision binoculars also. I have almost worn a trail in my house from window to doors and back to windows, that is all I do at nught until I wear myself out and I know, if I had the binoculars I would be able to see them when they are sneaking around.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 09:52 pm |
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Ambertide,
You'd be surprised at what you might get on your own with your equipment. I recently got a new digital cam and it's wonderful. Of course, you have to do what is comfortable for you.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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My biggest question toward this is the following: If certain people proclaim that they are BF experts or researchers, why is it so important to come to other people's research location? If they are "so-called" experts, then they should have no trouble "finding" BF on their own, so then, why is it, that when certain ones learn of somebody actually seeing or interacting with them, it is so important for these "experts" to "come" to your place? That simple fact alone tells me that some of these "Experts" are not as "expert" as they portray themselves to be. This gives me reason to think they have other ulterior motives.
Think about it this way: How many people on this forum have personally contacted you to find where you are located at? The only way I would personally come, is if you asked me to, not by my suggesting it. I know what they look like, I know where and how to find them, so why would I be interested in coming to your location? The only reason I can think of is, if you invited me.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 02:31 am |
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This is kinda drifting off the subject, but you mentioned buying equipment, so...
I have a good night vision monocular that I have used with a little success, but if you want to really have some fun, get a Bionic Ear & sit at a window & hear everything going on for a mile or so around. It's been a lot more useful than the nightvision to me. You can get a little digital recorder for fifty dollars or so that connects to it, & get lots of good vocals
After looking through the NV for a few minutes, my eye kinda stops seeing & I have to wait until it gets back to normal before I can see through it again. It can only be used on a camcorder on nights with a lot of moonlight, & it's virtually useless in the woods.
Here's a link to the Bionic Ear. I found one at Major Surplus & Survival for $30 less than this one, but I can't find the link to it right now.
http://www.spytechs.com/listen_voice_equip/bionic_ear.htm
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 03:08 am |
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Dixie Banshee wrote:
My biggest question toward this is the following: If certain people proclaim that they are BF experts or researchers, why is it so important to come to other people's research location? If they are "so-called" experts, then they should have no trouble "finding" BF on their own, so then, why is it, that when certain ones learn of somebody actually seeing or interacting with them, it is so important for these "experts" to "come" to your place?
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I can understand a researcher that is trying to get a good photo or an IR image of one of these creatures..contacting someone that is having on going and recent activity. If they live in an area that they have to travel a bit to get into Bigfoot country then I could understand the person looking into areas that might be having recent activity as this would be better than going out there on a blind hunt using up time trying to locate a group.
Contacting a person that has had recent activity could save you time and money and help in other ways.
If you are new to the research, a person might want to contact another person interested in these creatures and maybe plan an outing together and share and swap stories and info about these creatures with one another.
I don't consider myself to be an "expert" and I sure don't call myself one. I would not contact others and asked to come to your place and see if I can get a look at one.
I have been invited to come and go out with several forum members and I hope that someday I will get to meet each and everyone of you.
If I want to go researching I have places close to me that I am almost sure have these creatures in the area. I thought about going out tonight and listening..but Full Moon coming up right at sunset..I would be wasting my time.
Might have heard a howl or 2 right at sunset..but that would be about it..this has been the norm in the past with a Full Moon right at Sunset.
Getting back to the reply to Dixie Banshees' post.
I believe as he does..than an "expert" would not need to contact anyone as he/she would know where to look for these creatures without anyone having to tell them where they are. An "expert" would know what type of terrain and conditions would have to be present for these creatures and studing the past history of sightings in an area would point them in the right direction.
What some of the "experts" have to get in their head is this. They are not out there looking for a lost cow. They are looking for something that does not want to be found and it does a very good job of doing just that..not being found.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 03:19 am |
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Korie
I have NV also and I use it to look around a little mostly just looking for movement on the bushes and grass. It would be hard to see anything up in the woodline with them. They are Gen. 1 plus and I know the newer Gen. 3 and 4s are much better..but come with a price that most can not afford.
The recording of the sounds has always been the one thing that I go out there for. The sounds are proof that something out of the norm is out there for me.
You can do a search in the search box on "recordings" and get a lot of past info on recordings and what has been used. You can also check out the recording I have made on the main website: http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/reports/Recordings.html
Enjoy!
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 04:32 am |
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I agree with DB on this one. If they are such hot shots then they should be able to find their own.
I understand what you are saying Watch1. However some times these same people treat the home owner like they are doing them a favor. When in reality it is the other way around.
What happened to Ambertide and this person blabbing to the neighbors was a betrayal plain and simple. There isn't any excuse for that type of behavior. (Except poor rasin's as my granny used to say.)
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 04:56 am |
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Mike,
Mine is a Gen 3, & it is really good for what it is good for, but it isn't any good for looking for something hiding in brush & behind trees. I've had it for over a year, & have only seen Bfs out in the open three times with it. That's a thousand dollars a sighting for watching a black blob gliding around a few seconds. I rarely use it anymore.
But that Bionic Ear! It is a wonderful invention. The foam is worn off the earphones, & it's probably been through 20 batteries in the last 14 months. It would be awful to have to live without it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 05:17 am |
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oldcrow wrote:
I understand what you are saying Watch1. However some times these same people treat the home owner like they are doing them a favor. When in reality it is the other way around.
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If a person is invited to another persons home/property that person is a guest and should act accordingly. The person invited should treat the owner with respect and go a long with that persons rules while there.
The owner is the one doing the favor..not the other way around.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 05:37 am |
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Thanks you guys for all the info on the equipment and the feedback on the "researching experts" I will try and get that ear piece and recorder korie mentioned thanks for that info korie.
The thing that I could not get through to my so called researching friend was. I was just happy to be able to interact with the bf and I did not want a book written or any of the things that was suggested to me. I just wanted to enjoy the bf and try to observe them as peacefully as possible. I was willing to share my home with her to come and do the same whejn she had the time. I had tried the online thing before through her and it was a fiasco. I did give in and let her write my story and send it to the Alabama Research site and I do not regret it one bit. If not for her I would have never had the chance to find all you wonderful people who are so supportive in every way and I no longer feel alone, in the bf activity circle.
Thanks to all of you for all the advice. You have helped me more than you will ever know and if there is anything I can ever do for any of you, please let me know. How fortunate are we all, to have found a forum like this? I don't think there is, or will ever be another one like this. Thanks to all the moderators and to Mike for giving us such a special place to share without the headache of having to deal with all the negativite bashers.
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Ambertide, the most important thing I have learned thus far about "researchers" is DON'T TRUST THEM unless they are recommended by someone you trust. There are more bad guys out there than good ones. Be careful who you share the details with. Luckily, you came to the right forum!
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:13 am |
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Thanks Fur,
I am just going to enjoy the bf from here on. I have you guys to enlighten me now if I have any questions.Thanks to everyone, for taking the time to post back to me. I have really enjoyed reading every post from all of you. I am so blessed to have found this forum and I now consider all of you to be my dear friends.
God Bless you !!
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:12 am |
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There are quite a few of us here in similar situations, Amber. Lucky for us, there's always someone who understands!...always a shoulder to lean on!
(always someone there to remind you that you AREN'T GOING NUTZ!!)
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I have read your reports and this current one. I am really sorry that there are people out there that cannot be discreet. I just experienced that at my job on Friday. Anyway, I guess there are always going to be a few bad apples as they say that can put a damper on everyone else. I am not sure if you can get references but even then sometimes people just do stupid things.
I think that since you have been living with BF that you would be a great investigator. Happy Bday and I think it is great that you are setting up shop and going forward on your own. diane
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Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 03:31 am |
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Sometimes, like in MY case, researchers are asked to visit a location. When I had my sighting, I was petrified. I had no clue they were in my area. I thought they were only in the Pacific Northwest... dumb me. I had no idea what I was dealing with, what to expect, what not to expect, and what I should or shouldn't do regarding these creatures.
John Morley and Ken Stewart and a few others with the TBRC responded quickly. Thankfully they treated me like I had good sense (which I definitely did NOT at that time and probably still don't) and checked out the area. I was assured that they weren't the boogyman, and so far there had been no reports of womenfolk being yanked kicking and screaming into the dark. I was cautioned about what to do and what I should not do. Had these researchers NOT come out, I would still be a blithering mess. I'm adjusting to this new reality, but it hasn't been easy. I still remember "back when..." when I wasn't afraid of heading off into the dark. These beings have been here all along, and the signs were always there, I just didn't know what I was seeing.
Please give these researchers their due -- in my case, they kept me calm, armed with more knowledge than I had previously. They were kind, compassionate, and helped me hold my sanity together until I got a grip.
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| Well, I am glad that you were treated well. I think most researchers are sincere and dedicated to their work. I am glad they were able to give you direction in what to do and not to do. I wouldn't have had a clue to what was going on like you did in the beginning. diane
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Posted: Thu Jun 12th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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In my world, trust is only achieved through time and actions. I learned the folly of trusting too quickly and too fully, particulary in regard to BF. In the primate research community, I fully trust but 5-6 people. And one of those is my wife...
BTW, I don't factor like-minded thinking & beliefs into that trust. I feel it's intellectually dishonest not to seek out and examine all sides of an issue. In my experience, often a slighty different perspective brings new clarity to an investigation, problem, or subject of study. If you only associate with those who agree/share with your views, how can you ever truly gain insight?
As an example, DB and I are like brothers, but our opinions/beliefs in regard to primates differ greatly in a few areas. another guy, one of the select few I trust w/o reservation, is unabashedly pro-kill and like myself, doesn't trust the critters as far as he can throw one.
It takes all kinds to rock the world...
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