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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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I have often thought of how to get some good pictures or video of BF. I would love to have a good honest discussion with others on what just might work. Everyone feel free to comment on, together we could come up with something that could work.
I have thought of using a "critter cam" like those on National Geographic, and placing it on a female gorilla. Then placing her in an area of known activity. Also putting tracking becons on her and the camera. Maybe put her in a very sturdy cage with survelience cams on the outside to see if she has any visitors?
What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 09:55 pm |
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Not knocking your idea, as it has merit, but I think you would get better results by placing a camera on the average domestic yard dog. Most hunters in the South, where in certain Southern states hunting with dogs is still legal, now are tracking their hunting dogs with radio remote dog collars using a mini-satellite wand. Using this method several years ago, was how we found the collar after "something" had got "aholt" of one of the slower female dogs.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 01:22 am |
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my dog sure acts like hes seen em'.... some days he won't go into the woods at all! Last summer I found big rocks laying in the spot where he sits in the yard at night. These rocks were maybe 10" x 4" x 3" and not a tooth mark on em.... this was about the same time period that GranPa heard mumble grumble talk out the window at 3 am. I think maybe BF threw the rocks to run him off so he could look in my garbage cans....(they are just around the corner from Granpa's room) this was during the bad drought and after the late Easter freeze that killed everything, including all the honeysuckle etc...
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 01:58 am |
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Tx,
Your idea is a good one, but female gorilla urine may be more obtainable than a gorilla itself. I know there are phermone chips available for purchase that have gorilla and human phermones. They might work also.
The dog idea is a good one also. I have beem mulling this idea over for wuite some time. I would not want any harm to come to the dog or bigfoot, but maybe the dog could get close enough if you could even get a dog to go into an area. I know were were building a research stand about 18 feet off of the ground and there were two dogs with us at the time. All of the sudden the dogs take off and we hear a bigfoot huff and growl and then didn't hear the dogs for a while. One of the dogs came back within 10 minutes, but the other was gone for almost an hour until it showed back up. These dogs are brothers and they do not go anywhere without the other. He had been ran down. Thats when I had the idea about dog head cams.
Anyway they make a head cam for dogs to wear. I am sure one could be made easily enough with some velcro and webbing.
Here is a link to where the head cams can be seen. Pretty good idea I think.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/headmounted-police-dog-camera-033871.php
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 04:36 am |
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Why not try calling to the camera. I have heard that people get BF to come in within a 100 yards or less to an area where they are calling. Set up in a usual spot for calling. Its best if there are game trails around. Have someone set up 75 yards or so away in a well camoflaged location with nightvision equipment. If you have ones attention in trying to get to the calling, they might accidently get close enough to get a decent shot with a camera.
Of course the one camo'ed would have to be vertually scent free, not to mention have a set of brass ones the size of watermelons. Imagine the suprise on a big ones face..... then we get into the fight or flight sensation from being spooked....
I can hear myself now....... "Please God, let him pick run..... let him pick run.... let him pick run....." lol
Headlines in local paper.....
Man found with digital camera firmly lodged in nose. Pictures inconclusive.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 08:53 am |
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 02:28 pm |
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Seems like getting pictures of video is going to be sheer luck. Probably some 80 year old bird wathcer with blue hair will be the one to get the crystal clear pictures.
It seems that the idea of a camera on a dog would work as well as any.
I think that the person here with the ultra light may have a better shot at it than the rest of us. Something new they are not used to to bring out the curious side of them.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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Thanks everyone for your input and ideas. My intention with this post was to get people to think"outside the box". One idea leads to another, then another, pretty soon, the problem is solved. Let's keep it going with new ideas and tactics. You never know when 1 just may be successful.
My other idea/tactic is rural DUMP CAMS. Who knows what comes into the dump after dark? It is just an idea I had. Feel free to comment or modify the idea, Thanks again! JK
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 12:47 am |
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I find that all the game cams are too slow.... they start up in a second or two or three and miss the thing that just ran by. One of these new video cameras saving to a digital DVR running continuously might have a chance.... check it every couple of dayts and move it to a new location....
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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| I use to love the old Wild Kingdom show, when Jim would capture an animal and then track it with some radio device. Just thinking what we could place in the woods that BF would take with him that had a hidden homing device? Maybe a stuffed BF doll that he could give to his kids. I would love to keep tads on his movements, and we could anticipate his location to get video. Even a transmitter for sound would be very interesting.. Jay
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 01:12 am |
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I have been experimenting with surveillance cameras and Mini DVR's. These would be intended for a place that had a known resident population of Squatchs. I hope to test these with some folks who have "visitors' on a regular basis. The device pictured is a DVD player in a weatherproof case. It has a high resolution B/W camera pointed back at the TV watcher. The camera has the ability to get video in .0003 Lux. The video is recorded on a small DVR that has motion sensing software built in. The DVD just plays in a loop and the DVR records when there is movement in the video. The batteries should run the whole thing for about 50 hours.
I have Fantasia in it now and am thinking something might just come up and take a look. I could leave popcorn too. If it gets trashed at least I might get video of them doing it. I am at a point where I'm ready to try some unconventional ideas.
The low light cameras are also small enough to hide in any object. Put enough batteries in it and it could go for days.
Here is a link to a video of the player.
http://www.shadowfolk.com/dvdplayerrecorde.htmlAttachment: DSC00043crop.jpg (Downloaded 253 times)
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 04:50 pm |
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One idea leads to another, Hmmmm, first off, I am curious, Saycheez, does your camera/dvr's have to be stationary, or are they small enough they could be strapped to a dog or animal? Also, I am curious, I know you said your cam is low lux, but how close would a BF have to be in the dark, to get a good, clear image of him?
I also like the idea that Gigantanjano had about the helmet cams for dogs. I do not know "what all" is on the market as far as wireless video transmitters goes, but, one could be built I am sure. I am curious about the range that would be needed for a project like this?
I have knowledge of a way to send wireless transmissions in color, or B&W (and I am almost sure IR and/or possibly thermal could be used as well). The range on these vary. The range of the smaller transmitters (which are not much bigger than a quater if you dont count the camera and antenna) are about 1000 feet, with some of the larger ones having a rather extensive range (depending on many variables). They can be either mobile or stationary. The feed is transmitted/viewed/recorded on cable television channels (depending on tranmitter type as to what channel)
However, there are a few bugs with this system, as you have to have a license, and you have to stay within the FCC guidelines. I just dont know what other products there are out there that do not require a license, that would give the range (if used with a dog) that I think would be needed for something like this. H.F.
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 01:20 am |
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These guys have some fun toys.
http://www.scdlink.com/
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 02:04 am |
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| If someone has one of those small camreas for dogs, if you like mail it to me, we will fit it on coon hounds, alot of nights they will leave truck to hunt, seems like they hit a wall turn come load up. I am willing to give a try. PLOWBOY
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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I did a little more research on using wireless cameras, and after a couple of e-mails to an expert in that field, I have a better understanding of how they probably will work if used mobile (ie: on a dog).
Let me start by saying that in wireless video, there are two types of devices. One is called ATV or Amateur Television and is reserved for licensed Amateur Radio Operators only. The second is called an ISM (which I think it stands for Individual Survellience Module but not sure if this is the acromyn's real definition) that anyone can use.
The use of ATV/ISMs is somewhat tricky. They use what is called line of site operations. Which means that the sending antenna has to be able to see the recieving antenna.
Now, that does not mean that the signal will not go through trees, but it does mean that the signal loss is greater when hills, trees, or buildings are involved, in fact it severly limits the range that the two antennas can be apart.
Also, wireless signals on video feeds are available in several different frequencies. The lower in frequency you go, the greater the range, and vice versa. The two lowest bands of these frequencies are reserved for amateur use only. The ISM's are on a higher frequency, and their range is very limited.
I also found out that without the use of high-gain antennas on both recieving and transmitting antennas, the range is going to be severely limited.
What it boils down to is that if you put one of these cameras on a dog, and he goes too far, you loose the signal, and the video. A significant sized antenna would be needed on the dog's transmitter, and a parabolic dish recieveing antenna at base station would be needed to follow the dog's movement. Then, at about a quater mile or so, the signal would more than likely be lost along with any video feed. If the dog came back into range, you would then have to know which direction to point the parabolic dish to find the signal again. The dog would have to be tracked with a GPS or radio location collar. (this scenerio is subject to a lot of varibles, such as terrain, frequency, transmitting power, and antenna type, which all play a part in range) So while not impossible, it would be very difficult to do.
I am still working on other possible uses of this technology, as I feel it can be used in other aspects, like setting up a "wireless camera trap" so to speak. It was mentioned about calling a boogar in, and one poor person, away from base camp, trying to get a picture or video clip of the boogar that would by this time now be in a highly adjatated state after being messed with... What if the boogar were called, and ran into several IR cameras that were switched off, and when in range, the cameras were switched on suddenly? The cameras would not be relying on motion or IR switches, but would rely on human reflexes.
The guy I contacted gave me a site that sells ISM type cameras and equipment. Here is that site: http://matco.com/ H.F.
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 07:12 am |
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The answer to this equation is found in cellular technology. They make security cameras already that will send images and/or video to a cellular device, just like cell phones do. You can also have it sent to a home computer. The camera doesn't "send" the video, the transmitter does. So from that perspective, it just matters what kind of transmitter/receiver set up you're using. Cellular technology would obviously be your best bet, so there are no real limitations to transmitting. Of course roaming charges would still apply. 
BUT, the only reason you would need the camera device to transmit the image was if you weren't planning on recovering the camera. In most cases I would hope the camera was recovered. In that instance it would call for a device with internal digital memory, or something with a memory card like our digital cameras and various other recording devices already use. They already make affordable, small, digital video recorders. The problem is teaching the dog (or animal/object of your choice) how to aim it and turn it on. Anything you run into, technology wise, is going to add to the problem. If you want extended record time, such as recording for hours on end, or you want nightvision capabilities, or whatever, you are going to have to add in cost and weight for sure.
I think a pack could be rigged up and equipped fairly easily for a dog. You could base it off the vest designs rescue animals use. Some sort of small computer device, such as a Blackberry, or even a really small laptop (they make them small enough to fit in your hand now) could be used. A usb cam could be used connected to the device, and then the device could record and/or transmit the streaming video feed to another laptop or device of the user's choice. The right person might even be able to turn all this on and control it remotely from the "base" unit computer. All the information is out there, you just have to look for it and have the money to spend. Other than that, your majority of weight would come from the battery pack. You obviously wouldn't want this rig strapped to the back of a yorkie. Still using a dog as an example, the dog would need to be trained and become used to the rig, and the rig itself would need to be secure and designed to where it would not put a strain on the dog or hinder any of it's movement. I'm not sure that would be possible with any sort of camera. Putting it on the back of the animal wouldn't work because if the animal looked at something it would raise it's head and block the view. If the camera stuck out to the side or up above the animal, even slightly, it would more than likely get caught up in brush. Just another engineering problem.
The other problem to factor in, well, I for one have no desire to watch a video of a dog being killed.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 10:37 pm |
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If you were gonna put a camera on Bo, you'd have a much better chance of seeing a BF if the camera were facing backwards. Or even better would be two cameras, one facing forward and one backwards.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 07:04 pm |
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I am about to fully expose my ignorance of photography, and research techniques, but, I had one of my infamous brainf***s.
Has anyone tried putting the camera on a limb, maybe 12-20 ft up, and pointed down, panoramic style, into the target area? Every time I have seen cameras being placed, they are invariably set at a low level, which, to me would be where a RFP would be SURE to see it.
Another advantage of setting up in this manner would be possibly a wider coverage of the target area.
I am now ready to hear widespread laughter.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Hey Charley,
No laughter here........sounds very plausible to me. Try it and let us know how it works out. Some of the other members may have tried this already, so they could give you some really good feedback on it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 06:08 pm |
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Thanks for your words of encouragement. Figured that this technique might not be workable.
My problem is that I am not able to get up a tree, any morre. I have extreme arthritis, and am only able, with a cane, able to walk maybe 100 yds. at a time, and, even then, with great pain and difficulty.
I am NOT looking for sympathy. I am just facing the unpleasant facts of life.
My goal in coming here is to learn about this fascinating creature, and, if possible, to offer a suggestion or two on possible surveilance techniques. I was,(past tense) in recon work in the military, and thought some of the techniques we used in combat might work in the search for RFPs.
Thank you for your time and indulgance. It is greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 09:19 pm |
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Was just now reviewing my post, and discovered a typo. Please delete the word "not."
It was supposed to read, "I thought this might be workable."
My "oldtimers" must have been kicking in.
Thanks to All
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 03:22 am |
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| read something somewhere about setting up a mirror to catch the boogers interest. Maybe make it a one way deal with a camera behind it somehow.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 11:51 pm |
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Great posts guys! I believe that our current game cams are TOO NOISEY! When they activate they make ALOT of noise and it gives the animals time to react. Most of the pictures taken of animals on game cams , the animal is looking right at the camera? 
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Posted: Sun Sep 21st, 2008 04:32 pm |
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Well, here is an idea i have been pondering for awhile. we all know about the dome cams on the cielings at wall-world? You would need to of these, 2 cams of your choosing. mount the cam in one of the half's back to back, attach the othe half securly cover the set-up with pheremones. Wala!! you have the primate equivalent of a catnip ball!! just set out in an active area and wait to see what happens.
Thanks, Shane
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