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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 09:50 pm |
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This recording sent in by 7fireflies
This recording is about four years old but it is about an experience that my partners and I shall never forget.It will show you how quickly things can go from the usual to all out chaos. It was probably one of the most frightening experiences we have ever had. Some that hear it may say it was a bunch of coyotes but we knew better. In the first part of the recording if you listen carefully, you will hear us discussing whether or not it was coyotes. I have studied coyotes,wolves and owls extensively to carefully eliminate them from possible Big foot sounds. At first I did think these were coyotes or wolves until they did something I have never experienced. They began approaching us from three different directions and they howled and screamed as they gained ground. I know of no coyote or wolf that howls and runs simultaneously. In fact, I think it is physically impossible for them. Secondly, it is less than one minute from the first distant howls until they were on top of us. Topographically, we were between two creeks in a wooded area surrounded on both sides by pasture-land. This enabled them to move at tremendous speed to our area. My research partner had made a call, a distressed cow-like sound about 45 minutes before they began to vocalize so we are not certain it was her call because of the delayed response time. I was recording at that time with a stock mike and cassette recorder, which was on top of the vehicle. This was the first time we have ever been frightened enough to evacuate an area. In retrospect, I now wish I had held my ground. I am certain that they did not realize we were even there and we were in an advantageous position to witness a territorial war. As soon as we got into our vehicles and turned the motors and lights on, the advance came to a halt and all got quiet. On our way out, we were still very rattled. We did not see anything but our speed was faster than usual.
Thanks for posting this,
Link to file:
http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/sounds/Expedition030903cor.mp3
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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 10:14 pm |
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I would like to thank 7firefires for sending this.
I would also remind the new members that there are other sounds recorded on the website that our little group of researchers have recorded in the past.
Link: http://www.alabamabigfoot.com/bigfoot/reports/Recordings.html
If anyone has recordings they would like to share with all, make your post, telling what you wish to share about the recordings and put a (insert recording link here and the file name). Then send me the file in an email..telling me what the file is and name and I will put it on the server and post the link..in place of (insert recording link here and the file name)
The reason for doing this.
If you post a recording directly here, it will start to load just like a photo and take forever to load for those that have dial-up. It will also start to play when it is finished loading. If there is more than one file..we have all those trying to do the same at the same time.
Thanks!
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Almost forgot: alabamabigfoot@bellsouth.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 11:41 pm |
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I remember you telling me about that night. One thing I would like to say about 7Fireflies and her partner at the time......THEY DON'T RUN so if they decided it was time to go it must have been a great encounter lol Those two went to places by themselves that a lot of men wouldn't go......it would take much more than a bunch of yoties to run them off! Good recording! Its so good to see people out there trying. 
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 12:11 am |
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Wow! That was almost surreal! It's difficult to tell from a recording, but I thought I heard an un-coyotelike ululation in the middle of the ruckus.
So, you think it might have been a territorial war? I can only imagine what a fearsome sight that would be! I don't believe I'd want to be in the middle of it!
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 01:53 am |
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Thanks!!!! What you recorded is nearly the exact same sounds as we have heard several times in a particular research location in the Ouachita National Forest in west central Arkansas. The first few times we heard this same assortment of sounds, we discovered that each of the two groups of primates that stormed in were ALWAYS accompanied by coyotes. And at the time, at night, one of the coyotes dang near ran over us in the dark. After about four years we found that not only did the coyotes respond to some of the recorded primate sounds, but so did red and grey foxes. We finally figured out that when the primates began the howling that is heard as the deep, nearly human-like howls on your recording, the coyotes that constantly hang out near the groups become excited because they know the hunt is on. The scaveners (coyotes and fox) will often charge in during daylight hours when they hear the primate recordings played.
At times the coyotes will get too carried away and interfere with the hunt. When they do the primates get PO'ed and you can hear all (bleep) breaking loose. The coyotes are sometimes chased, and occasionally caught, and they pay dearly. In the southern part of the state along the Ouachita River (where there are several of the primates), hunters have found coyotes that have been skinned alive and left to die. I have heard the primates after coyotes three times. The coyotes scatter like a covey of quail, each one screaming like a dog being beaten. On one occasion in Montgomery County near Mt. Ida, a primate coming to the call bellowed out and began chasing the pack, and apparently caught or hit one with a stick or rock, because the coyote screamed in pain, then whimpered and made no other sounds. A few minutes later the five of us became the target of rocks and sticks. We did just what you did, we got out of Dodge because that booger was not in a good mood by then.
The fact that coyotes will often be heard as soon at a group of primates start howling and gathering for a hunt, some people say that all the sounds are made by coyotes. It is obvious you folks knew the difference!
Does that make sense, based on your experiences??
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 03:02 am |
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Branco, I agree with you. That is the case here too but something else happens here. I have held the theory that the bigfoot and the coyotes almost have a working relationship. There is a benefit for the two different species to run together. Coyotes mask the Bigfoot hunting calls while the Bigfoot do not eat the entire kill and leave the remains behind for the coyotes to scavenge. I believe that is why you rarely see so called bigfoot kills in this area. I know when I get a response from the coyotes after doing a call, that there is a good chance that Big foot are probably also close by. I have recorded many times a long deep howl that sets off the coyotes. I guess it is possible that it is a coyote but I sure want to think that it is a bigfoot saying, "Come and get it."lol.
If I was listening to this recording without the benefit of being there, I would think that a good deal of it was coyote, but I was there. The microphone could not discern the three directions like our ears could. First the west keyed up, then the north, even closer then the south right on top of us. Besides wishing I had stayed my ground, I wished I had had a bionic ear at that time. A stock mike just did not do it the justice it deserved. I guess I should be thankful I got anything at all. How many of us have heard or seen something and have not a thing to show for it. Happens all the time,lol.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. And many thanks to Bamabf for posting this for me.
Last edited on Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 03:16 am by 7fireflies
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 04:28 am |
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| Ma'am, anyone except the tone deaf can dissern the unmistakable difference in pitch and volume. Yes, the Coy Boys are doin their thing but so are the boogers. Do you think that if you and your partner held your ground that the boogers would have come in close enough for you to get a visual ? Strickly opinion----I don't think they even knew you were there---until you made your move. Hindsight/secondguessing is always easy though isn't it? I would have wanted some type of protection when they did get close in. Although there just aren't but a scant number of instances where the boogers get up close and physical--I don't want to be placed in a position where they have the upper hand. I think you made a wise choice---Great stuff----Thanks for sharing----TNC----
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 05:44 pm |
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I couldn't be sure but if they in fact did not know we were there, they may have busted up on us. I had to respect the others that were with me as they obviously were ready to leave. I wasn't exactly feeling too brave at the moment either. In that particular location we have experienced what I call sentinel activity where one or two will just hang back and watch us until we leave. We hear them making sounds of movement but even then it could have been distracting noises where they throw sticks to other areas to make you think they are there. On the night of this recording we did have sentinel activity. I have set up perimeter recorders and gotten breathing and sometimes low growls. We lost a back pack there once, went back the next morning and it was gone. One night Dricke and Shasta were with us and we could hear the breathing but we just couldn't see them even with night vision. I finally saw eye shine and it was on the ground right next to the vehicle.
They are notorious belly crawlers. My sister and I were traveling a back road and saw one cross the road on its toes and fingers, its body prone to the ground. I saw the eye shine first then saw it as we got closer. It took about ten seconds for it to cross in front of us. I asked her first what she saw and she told me she saw something large, long and dark laying on its stomach moving across the road on its toes and fingertips. I saw it too but it looked so unnatural I couldn't get my mind around it. I have told few people about it because it was just so unreal, almost animated. I suppose it could have been a small herd of shoats and the rest was imagination but I think it strange that both of us saw the same strange thing.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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| Good mornin 7 !! I wish I had a group of like minded folks around here to field research "Beings" with. It's just me and my son and we do the best we can. We are plannin on going to the site in NW Alabama of the last outing of Dixie Banshee and Bubba. It's only around 70 miles from us.That walking on fingertips and toes just has me really shaken.Can you realize how strong these boogers are? I know they like to hug the contours of their surroundings but that freaks me out! If ya'll witnessed it---I believe it and you! They must stay in a bad mood---man is constantly taking away their habitat---their homes--and forcing them to continually change and adapt. Not unlike what the white man did to my ancestors--without the genocide. Keep writing up your experiences--you have a God given talent for that and you do paint such a vivid mental picture.-------Thank You for sharing that with me------TNC------------
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 04:23 pm |
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These things will crawl in the roadside ditch beside you if you are parked in a isolated area. I actually am beginning to believe that this type of activity is, to them, some form of either game or honor mission.
Certain NA tribes believed in something as counting "coup." I believe that this is a French word or it may be totally NA. The word is actually pronounced as"coo" but the way that it is spelled reminds me of French.
The act of "counting coup" was a ritual performed by certain NA who believed in creeping up upon an enemy and lightly tapping them with either their "coup"stick or with their hand. While in this act they did not harm the victim, just symbolically showed that their power was stronger then their victims using the act of stealth. This act was normally done when other tribesmen were watching and it was held in highest respect when told later around the campfire. Usually the person that preformed this type act was given a "token," usually a eagle feather, which was tied to their "coup" stick or within the flowing mane of their hair. The warriors wearing/having the most feathers was honored as a leader type.
I have seen too many actions by this creature with the only explanation being that it appears that certain things that they do are done this way for either boldness or recognition as I can reasonably find no other rationale for it.
I was part of a video set-up in trying to capture the image of this creature upon film in Texas. The set-up proved fruitful but not in the way that we expected. When the person was heading toward the camera for retrieval he was being "couped" by a creature. The person was heading into the area that was being filmed while the film was taping a creature, using the trunk of the tree to keep between the person and it. The man walked right next to the very tree that the creature was behind with the creature slowly circling the tree keeping it between the man and itself. The man never knew it was there and the video, when later watched proved it! It blew my mind and the guy that walked beside that tree when we viewed this. If it wanted to it could have easily encircled its arm around the man neck.
I think they do things like this often for their own reasons, whether it means something to them in a symbolic matter or maybe they are just bored.
DB
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 09:01 pm |
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Thank you TNC for believeing me. I am not so sure I would believe it had I not seen it myself. Seeing pinkish eyeshine that low to the ground from the distance we first noticed it, it would be easy to assume it was a smaller animal. The color of the eyeshine is what alerted me to pay more attention to it.
I am sure you will enjoy the trip with Dixie Banshee and Bubba. DB was my first teacher. He took me in when I was green and full of curosity. We had some situations though with him being in Mississippi and me in Texas though. It had to do with two things. One I was a female so I encountered some behaviors that most men don't. Secondly, Mississippi Bigfoot have some different behaviors than Texas Bigfoot do. It was a learning experience for both of us. Overall, I learned some very important beginning basics from Dixie. I could not have covered as much ground as I had without his patience and his willingness to share some of what he knew. For that I will be forever grateful. Dixie taught me where to locate the bigfoot and then how to draw them into the area. This is essential to the beginning researcher. No one else was willing to help.From that point on it is a test of trial and error and in my case I wish I could start over sometimes. I have made so many mistakes. My most grievous mistake is my utter lack of respect for the foot that share my enviorment. I really feel that if I had used wisdom and compassion, I might have come even farther but I know now and that is an important lesson learned. I got a second chance and I am doing things different this time. I will always thank Dixie for what he did for me. I would not be where I am today without his help. I know that Dixie worried about me. He felt responsible because he gave me the tools and I was placing myself in jeopardy everytime I went out and engaged those tools. Being a woman, I am sure it was more concern. It is a southern man's nature to be protective. I know he is probably gray and has an ulcer for worrying for me. I am sorry I put him through that but the only way I could learn was to get out there and do it. I was not trying to put myself in a man's place but in a woman's who had a different advantage that had to be tested. I have lived a rough life and there isn't much left that scares me. I think the drive to understand these beings is so strong that I cannot be afraid. It is spiritual what I feel when I look at them. I wish I could explain it. I don't see an animal, I see a creation of God. I see something ancient and forgotten. They are here for a reason and I don't think it will be very long before we find out why.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 09:10 pm |
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Isn't it strange the sort of peace of mind that one has after actually seeing one. It's a feeling that a researcher wants to experience over and over again.
Thanks for the very heart felt words Fireflies as I noticed something special in you to or I wouldn't have told you half the things that I did. You are now leaps and bounds ahead of me in research and I'm so very proud of you.
Fireflies is like me, she is very willing to share her experience with others.
This forum only got better the night I saw where you had registered.
DBLast edited on Sun Feb 24th, 2008 09:11 pm by Dixie Banshee
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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I could never surpass you. You have years on me. Maybe if we keep sharing by the time we face our maker, we might be fairly even but I doubt it,lol. You will always be the teacher and I the student.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 11:39 pm |
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Great post, 7. (Excuse the abbreviation but some of the usernames are a bit long and I don't always tipe or spel so gude)
I find your observation of the differences between the MS and TX beings to be of great interest. Could you possibly elaborate?
I concur and second your point about the willingness to share - and the patience - that runs throughout this forum. Truly refreshing!
I thoroughly enjoy your posts.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 09:36 am |
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| Ok,I'm gonna ramble on a bit. Try and get a thought out of my head.The differences in behavior from state to state,IMO,similar to how people are different from different locals in the south? Does that make any sense?
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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JB, I appreciate your interest. I should have elaborated more on the differences. Now understand that I have only researched twice in Mississippi and what else I know, I have learned from D.B. and other researchers from the area.
Aggression is probably one of the greatest differences. I am not saying that Texas big foot are teddy bears by any means but they tend to be more reclusive and are big bluffers most of the time. And this also depends on the area. Some places in Texas experience more aggressive behaviors, particularly the further north you go. There is more forestland in east Texas, eastern Oklahoma, western Arkansas and western Louisiana than anywhere else in the nation. These forested states have been called the Bigfoot Belt. If Texas Bigfoot don't like what is going on, they have plenty of space to go somewhere else. There are some areas of our Big Thicket that humans have never seen. Mississippi Bigfoot are bolder, less inhibited and are far more vocal than their Texas cousins.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 01:49 am |
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Many thanks, 7. Makes good sense and dovetails nicely with other thoughts I have heard.
I'm wondering about throwing some thoughts out on the 'What Have We Learned' thread. Y'know, there's an awful lot we DON'T know, but I think there's more that we can accept now than we might realize. I'm amazed at these beings - to the point where I no longer want to refer to them as 'animals' or 'creatures'. They may well be far more advanced than we imagine.
We're really blessed to have the level of expertise that we do on this forum. Quite honestly, I have never seen this much in one place and I hope to make the most of it. Keep them posts coming!
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 08:02 am |
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| Hello 7 ! I think I may not have been as clear as I should have been in my above thread. My son and I are going to research the area that DB and his son just had their last outing at-- in NW Alabama. I don't reckon he and his son will be goin with us--although I would certainly welcome his knowledge and his company. Dixie has helped me alot in the past 2 months. He is a literal encyclopedia on RFP knowledge. He was trying to mentor a young man on his last trip and sadly was used and abused by this guy.You know, there is always one who infiltrates every organization and tries to purport to befriend folks---only later to find they have a dagger in their hand. I know DB and his son traveled a very long way to go to this area and help this boy out---alot of expense too. That's just the caliber man DB is. I'm not able to do a whole lot of traveling. I can't ride long distances in cars and I can't do a great deal of walking/hiking. I'll continue to do as much as the Good Lord will allow and I'm greatful for that. Many that want to booger hunt are in much worse physical condition than I --and just are not able----I count my blessings every day because I know one thing for certain---my time left to be able to participate physically in this endeavor is short. I do truly enjoy all of it!----Regards---TennesseeCherokee------------
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Lori,
The same thing happened to me up here in North Idaho. I have tried to contact you to discuss this, but my number that I have for you is not working, and i also tried to pm you on here, but have not heard from you, so I am not sure what to think of that. But, in October or so 2004 we had just gotten to north idaho that year and my neighbor listened to that recording you gave me.......which is this one right here. I tell everybody about this recording and the story, but I did not know the delay time was that long. I thought it was a matter of ten minutes. Anyway, my friend and me were in one location and she was very anxious to hear something and I told her to hush......as I was trying to record.....even though I never had any luck with that. I was anxious and scared........and I am not sure....in the past I have not been that scared........but this night I was because we were on the top of the mountain or just about...anway, we ended up moving to another location that was about two to three miles away.....and what do you know...we heard some howls.......coming in just like you described.....and then we heard the one strong howl above the others......My friend freaked out and hopped in the car...all you can hear on the recording is "kdjf;kdk".......swearing....and the ding ding ding of my door closing and the radio going on like it normally does.
We skidded down the road....about a mile and stopped. I was so mad at myself.......but we did get scared and hightailed it out of there and we came back home and listened to the recordings.
It was exactly the same thing..............I dont know what they thought. I did make a call.......to the best of my ability at that time. So, I dont know what they were thinking....
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