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dwells
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 10:52 pm |
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There seem's to be a small conflect emerging here about killing a BF. So I have a ? to ask all of you to think hard about and then give your thoughts. If it came down to your life and the life of your family or the life of a RFP, what would you do? I mean if a RFP was threating to harm you or and you and your family and there was no other way out of it .Would you or could you kill a RFP to save your family or yourself??? Me myself would do what I had to do, not for money or fame but for LIFE . That's the bottom line. I do not want to kill a RFP but I wiil protect me and mine no matter what, and pray to God it was not a man in a monkey suit. 
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ahoward3
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 11:06 pm |
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| I agree with you - If it came to protecting a life, the RFP would lose (monkey suit or not). I'm a "no kill" propronent but everyone can move to a self-defense mode almost instinctively. I don't see it as a conflict personally. I'm not a proponent of murder but would have no problem shooting with fatal intent someone who put my family in jeopardy; same as if the state hands down a death penalty, I have no problems there either.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 07:58 am |
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| If I saw a BF and it posed a threat to my wife and kids,even though I am no kill, I'd have to shift to defense mode and protect my family.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 04:47 pm |
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| Along those lines, I would hate to be put into a situation which required the killing of a bigfoot. I do think the scientific community is going to require a body before they will ever admit one exists, but I would much rather get pictures or video and let them be scrutinized, ridiculed, or accepted. If I felt my life or my families lives were in jeopardy, you can be certain there would be a body for science to look at, but what a terrible scenario that would be. My biggest dilemma would be whether or not to report the death of the creature if I was forced to kill one. My biggest fear would be that every redneck with a deer rifle would be out there trying to bag another one. I don't think you would ever be able to keep the location of a kill a secret if you were forced to make one and I don't know how you could live with the decimation of a whole group, pod, or family of them.... I guess I would get on here and beg for help to get the body moved, load it up in the truck, and drop it off on the doorstep of an emergency room in one of my neighboring states... Let everyone wonder where it came from and still have to admit they are out there...
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 05:25 pm |
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| By the way, please don't be offended by the "redneck with a deer rifle" comment. I am a genuine redneck and love to hunt, there is a difference to me in hunting a dumb animal that I am going to eat and killing something just for the joy of killing it.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 06:03 pm |
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I think most of us would even kill another man to protect our family.....
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BBray34
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 06:30 pm |
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| I thought alot about this issue after I posted my reply and I think alot of people( including myself) may have confused the issue of self-defense with the topic of no-kill vs. pro-kill. There is big difference in shooting something in self defense and shooting something for the thrill of the kill. I used to hunt with my dad so I'm not knocking people who hunt but in the case of BF what I think we should do is maybe tranquilize one,but then that opens up a whole new can of worms, because most creatures don't act the same in captivity as they do in their natural environment, but at least we prove to the public that they exist.
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Posted: Fri May 23rd, 2008 06:31 pm |
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When it comes down to it self preservation is the most important consideration, and protecting family is instinctive. "Blood is thicker than water" Whatever or whoever is the source of the threat, Human or otherwise, you do what you have to do to survive.
There is no give up when it comes to defending your family. Threaten a Man, you get a fight. Threaten his family, you get a WAR! Here in TEXAS it is an old saying, "REMEMBER THE ALAMO!" TX7MM
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Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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think most of us would even kill another man to protect our family.....
The above is the way most of us feel. A life and death situation is something much different than Pro-kill vs. no-kill.
From what I have learned over the years where there is one there is a clan. This could mean one body would bring down more than anyone of us would be prepared for.
What I always ask when I hear of an aggressive encounter is what facilitated it? What lead up to it? There are always 2 sides to every story. Many times it appears that aggression began by the human side being intrusive.
As for some scientist needing a body well I suggest he/she fetch one.
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 05:15 am |
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Bamafoot, how could anyone be offended by being called a 'redneck'? I have been often referred to as a redneck and I might well be one if I only lived closer to town. It would be a title I would accept with pride.
Not to stir up trouble here, but, since I don't know, I must ask what precisely constitutes an aggressive life-threatening act on the part of a RFP? Accounts abound of bluff charges, of growls, roars and 'chasing folks out of the woods'. I haven't read of many truly 'life-threatening' actions. (In fact, I haven't read of any.) DB learned that when a big'un is awakened from his nap prematurely, he gets decidedly cranky. DB, however, though armed, apparently didn't feel threatened enough to take a shot. I'm just trying to come up with a situation in which one would actually feel threatened. Realizing that the beings are, like people, of different personalities and there may well be a rogue around. But look at ALL the encounters that have taken place without incident or harm.
Miz Crow, you make a very good point. How often could the beings feel provoked or threatened by us when we don't realize it? I have often said that if I were to encounter a couple of big'uns strolling up Cloudy Mountain road, I would greet them and wish them good luck. If, however, they decided to come in the house - not to do any mischief, mind you - just to see how we live and where we sleep and maybe to have a peek in the fridge and pantry to see what we eat, then I would become quite uncivil. This is what we do to them during some 'research' sessions. There are times, I'm certain, when we step into their discomfort zone without realizing it. Their actions will reflect that and may not be at all unreasonable under the circumstances.
Just a question and some random thoughts.
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dwells
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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| Sorry I even started this thread. Last edited on Sun May 25th, 2008 05:59 pm by dwells
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Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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dwells wrote: Sorry I even started this thread.
Dwells, this is a great thread! It's one that everyone needs to consider...especially those living in or frequenting rural areas. Thanks for bringing it up!
I personally would do all I could to help an injured RFP or a fellow human...as long as I didn't feel threatened. Here, at my home, it's "shoot first, ask questions later." That pertains to anyone who is intent on causing harm to my loved ones...even an RFP.
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 02:07 am |
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| Thank's FBF.
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 04:05 am |
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tx7mm wrote: When it comes down to it self preservation is the most important consideration, and protecting family is instinctive. "Blood is thicker than water" Whatever or whoever is the source of the threat, Human or otherwise, you do what you have to do to survive.
There is no give up when it comes to defending your family. Threaten a Man, you get a fight. Threaten his family, you get a WAR! Here in TEXAS it is an old saying, "REMEMBER THE ALAMO!" TX7MM
Well said 7mm!!!!
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 05:14 pm |
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| I've been reading this thread for a day or two and if ya'll will just bear with me a minute or two maybe I can figure out what spurred me into this. This is me personally ----speaking for me,not intending to persuade anyone else and certainly I do not want to inflame anyone. I too used to hunt animals for food-- . While I loved the flavors of the wild game, I always hated that the act to get that game caused an animal to lose their life. The millisecond after I squeezed that trigger, that animal was giving up the ghost -because of my actions.Now, I didn't have to do that to sustain my life. This started leaving a bad taste in my mouth,you know? To me it made me feel better to let the others at the slaughter house do it. I believe that the Great Spirit, God, Budda, or what ever anyone wants to call their higher power, detests killing just for the sake of killing.You see, to some killing is a sport,an adrenaline rush, and an ego trip. That just isn't my bag.I will do whatever I have to do to provide substanance to my body and to my sons' body.Right now, at this junction in my life, it just happens that I can't take an animals life. Will I in the future? It will certainly depend on my circumstances---and my dollar is buying less each day.---------Now as far as our RFP'S go.--------Just like Miss Crow and JayB stated before me--We will all defend ourselves and our people.We must look clearly into all the situations we get ourselves in.Is there another alternative to a violent altercation? And what can we do to turn those circumstances into a non-violent,non-confrontational outcome? I am a man of 50+ years and I am of First Nation desent . These are my convictions and beliefs-------------TnC-------------------------------
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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| Dwells, great thread, don't be sorry it started. For the rest of you, I am feeling like a bad guy and I am not sure why. First and foremost, if I were out looking for a BF to photograph, my family wouldn't be there in the first place. Secondly, if any of you have read my other posting on here, my little brother and I are trying to plan a trip this summer and neither of us will even bring a gun. If it comes down to me or the big guy, I am sure I will lose that battle.... a risk I am willing to take
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 08:35 pm |
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| Bamafoot, going into the woods unarmed is not something I recommend. There are too many OTHER things that can or could go bad for you. Always be prepared so you are not prepared for burial. TX7MM
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Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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Bamafoot, if I were setting out to do what you propose, I confess that I'd proceed just as you stated. However, Tx7 makes a very good point. If I were to carry into the woods, it would be for the OTHER two-legged primates - the ones wearing clothes (and tending stills or illegal 'gardens') - and for those pesky hogs that can get downright uncivil at times. We share turf with a LOT of bears, but they haven't been much of a problem. Not even the sows with cubs. The only ones that have had to be dispatched in our neck of the woods are the rare 'rogue' males who don't respond to scare tactics.
A lot of folks here do some searching on government land (Great Smoky Nat'l Park among other preserves) and I don't think firearms are welcome there. You could get a timeout in the local slammer as well as lose your weapon(s).
Just a couple of thoughts -
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dwells
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Posted: Wed May 28th, 2008 08:19 am |
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| Thank's all of you for your thought's. To me it boil's down to this you never know what or who you can or will run up on in the wood's and it is better to be ready than not ready. Remember a wild animal is still a WILD animal and you never really know what they might do. Case in point that guy a few year's back who was living with Grizzles, he was out trying to do a good thing to help those wild bears , but he forgot they where wild and lost his life as well as his girl friend's. He's not the first one to make that mistake and won't be the last I'm sure. I'm just saying any wild animal is just that a wild animal and will act and do what animal's do. Most of the time but you never know when that will change and then it's too late . I know most of us feel BF's are more like us, but human's will go nut's and kill also sometime for no reason at all. So if the Bf are like us they can and just might hurt or kill for no reason . Remember they where here before us and this is their home too. And at the rate we are growing we are pushing them out of their home's . What would you do if it was you????
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