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Robroy
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 01:46 pm |
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This is an interesting read (long but very good).Worth taking a look at .
http://www.strangeark.com/nabr/NABR8.pdf
pages 33-40
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Robroy
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 06:55 pm |
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OOPS! wrong start page ,sorry guys.
Title " The Black Panther Mystery" by John A. Lutz
Page 35 .again sorry guys,I should have checked it.
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Robroy
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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no opinions ??
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Dixie Banshee
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Posted: Sun Apr 27th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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I think it may be a valid theory. It stands to reason that there are black panthers in the wild of the South and they had to get here by some outside means. The theory is very plausible as the "cats" would seek a climate better suited to their home ecosystem, which by definition, would be a hot, warm, moist one.
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JayB
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:49 am |
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I have refrained from posting in those threads about which I don't know anything. I probably should stay out of this one.
It was back in the mid sixties in California's San Joaquin Valley, southwest of Fresno. A friend and I were bird hunting in the foothills of the Coastal Range. I happened to spot a cougar at a range of about 150 yds. This cougar was black. The term 'black panther' never came to mind. To me, it was a cougar - and black. At the time, I was too dumb to know that the cougar didn't have a black phase. Of course, I have since learned that I 'imagined' a black cougar.
In more recent times - in fact, I believe it was about five years ago - that a black cat was seen a number of times in our area of Jackson County, NC. Neighbors about a mile away saw it on a couple of occasions. Another friend saw it early one morning by Lake Glenville. This animal was definitely black. Since I didn't see it, I can't really call it a 'cougar' but that's the way witnesses described it. It was only around a few months - less than a year, as I recall - and then it was replaced by a conventional tawny colored one. I realize that the Game and Wildlife folks are very intelligent and highly educated. Right now, however, I'm staying with my neighbors. I know them and I trust them.
As I have stated in this forum before, there's no doubt whatsoever that there are panthers in NC. They play their home games over in Charlotte.
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Robroy
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 05:23 am |
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Thanks JayB ,I have seen one too ,and only me in my household says I am not crazy.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 04:13 pm |
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This is a short article picked up from the news this morning.
The Missouri Department of Conservation said on Thursday that a Newton County deputy called to a rural home in May by a woman who feared a mountain lion was in her yard shot and killed a jaguar.
The declawed jaguar was a three-foot, 6-month-old male, a curator with the St. Louis Zoo confirmed.
Conservation mountain lion expert Jeff Beringer had determined the animal was not a mountain lion because the cats that are native to Missouri don't have black coats.
The jaguar was in good condition, had body fat, but no food in its stomach, indicating it had escaped from captivity, Beringer said.
The animal's pads were smooth, indicating it had lived on a concrete floor.
The department does not regulate non-native wildlife, so the agency has no records that might have revealed where the jaguar was being kept.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 10:42 pm |
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| Thanks Cracker for posting the jaguar story from Missouri. What in this world are people who own these cats thinking? They know it has escaped or been purposely set free from it's cage. What do they think they are gonna eat? US---if they get a chance. Folks that do this should be held accountable . Prosecuted and jailed. It could have very well attacked a person..and probably someone elderly or a child. ...........TnC----------------------
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 12:46 am |
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Here's my best Black Panther sighting...
I posted this on Cryptomundo earlier this past June...
My best sighting…
I was plumbing in a 5X12 gun barrel oil separator on a new lease in the Winter of 1986 or 87…there was about 6 inches of fresh snow on the hay meadow below the tank battery. I noticed a black panther slinking across the meadow about 150 yards away.
I climbed down and glassed her for a minute with my field glasses…and then with my Redfield 3X9 30-06 which has better optics than my binocs…I could see she was a female and definitely not a Tom. Once she had slipped into the brush…I walked down and examined her 1/4 mile track way…the pug marks were twice the size of my fist. Her belly had scraped the snow from the tufts of the tallest grass…best guessitmate thirty inches more or less at the shoulder…about seven foot from the nose to the tip of her tail and 180 pounds.
A very big kitty kat…I saw her a year or two later when she bolted from nearby brush as I opened the gate to an adjoining lease.
I have been bashed and chastised for not dropping her that day…live and let live…is all I have to say about that.
Gummer…as a son of the South…I too…had never thought them rare until “experts” pointed it out…perhaps city folk should get out more often.
Ever notice how some folks have itchy trigger fingers...they make me nervous...
live and let live...
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sasquatchfound
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 03:56 am |
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I'm curious what gives everyone the impression these are "Black Panther's"? Let me explain having many years with a UWSP Prof. studing Mt. Lions and other non-native big cats although MT/ Lions are origanly native to wisconsin but thought to have been wiped out over 100 years ago until now. By definition the only true black panther are loepards and the only black phase big cats that can reproduce. Where as Mt. Lions and jaguars in black phase cannot reproduce due to the reproductive genes are mutated when in they born as black. Also, they one tell tail sign that you have an actual "Black Panther" (loepard) is look at the tail all loepards have the base od the tail further up the rump than other big cats. Also, i majored in genetic engineering in college so have some knowledge in that area as well. Not trying to sound like a know it all, but, when one reports a Black Panther and wonder why they get ridiculed that is part of the reason cause some of the details reported don't add up much of the time, like when some report cubs with the cat. which is almost impossable in the U.S. unless the people that had them as pets let a pair go in the wild. I know there are big cats in the black phase in the U.S. i have seen one. So, don't take this the wrong way.
Thanks, Shane
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JayB
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:20 am |
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Shane, you are ABSOLUTELY correct. Technically. However, here in the South, large black cats are traditionally referred to as 'panthers'. Sometimes this is corrupted to 'painters'. It's just the way us folks refer to them.
As I have mentioned before, panthers are found here in North Carolina. They play their home games over in Charlotte.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 03:17 pm |
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Shane,
Yes, technically, you are correct, as JayB stated.
JayB....I agree. Here in the south we do refer to them as "panthers". Call me loony, but I did see, what we in Florida refer to as, a Florida "black panther" in the Osceola Forest back in the 80's, when I was living up there. The old timers in that area talked about seeing them all the time and it really wasn't a big deal.....like, "yeah...saw another black cat today".
Haven't heard of any black cats in central or south Florida.....may not even be any in the north any more either. Fortunately, due to conservation and breeding programs, we still have about 70 Florida panthers in the Glades.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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| All I know is we have BIG black cat's around here in Lower Alabama. Old timers called them panther's,they may not be that ,but they are huge and black . I have seen 3 in my life time(so far) and they were 3ft tall and from head to tail every bit of 6 ft.long and very big. But that's just the way I see thing's. Last edited on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:59 pm by dwells
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JayB
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 03:34 am |
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Shane, there's one additional thing I failed to mention before. If I read your post correctly, you are the only person trained in the appropriate discipline I have heard who has acknowledged that the cougar can appear in the melanistic phase. For years I have 'officially' heard that is impossible. I'm relieved to know that I wasn't 'seeing things'. Thanks.
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Twenty some odd years ago my sister lived on the edge of Macon County Al. very rural area. She was a nursing mother at the time, and would sit in a rocker with her youngest around 2 am and watch what we referred to as a black panther she cat with her 3 little black kittens/ drink & eat from the dog dishes on her patio. The area was lit with a vapor light and some small lights on the patio.
I saw the female once at about 50 yds from the house.
My sisters boys made plaster cast of the paw prints. The she cat's prints. The front paws were larger than a large mouth mason jar.
Mother had a fit over this being allowed to continue. Very bad teaching patterns from the mother for the young. My sister felt sorry for the cat. She said that she was old because of white hair around her muzzle. To my knowledge they never lost live stock to the cat. That to me seemed as strange as a black panther and young eating dog food.
 Now I find out that a creature that don't exist don't have young either. Dang its strange down in Bama.
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dwells
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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 07:00 pm |
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Great story OC! I wish mine were that close when I saw them. I know now they are most likely not panthers,but rather someother type of LARGE cat. But I know for a fact they ARE here and have been for long long time. I know too many good folk ,who have no reason to make stories up and who have no need for the attention that comes from it, That have seen these cats and young ones too.
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